I am a strong believer of casting as close to the character as it was intended as possible. “I kept getting told I was ‘pencilled in’ for jobs or ‘down to the last two’ but we couldn’t get a mortgage. “Every person serving looked like me, [and with] every person in authority I saw something else. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the fact that people are getting all upset that Achilles and Zeus are portrayed as black and there are tons of people throwing winy temper tantrums about “black Achilles,” but not a single person that I am aware of has thrown even the slightest temper tantrum over “redhead Aphrodite.”. “How does Achilles hold the weight of his deity and humanity in the same body? But Achilles? By giving traditionally white roles to Black actors, makers of films and television shows can help give those actors the opportunity for success. The second I realised Achilles was black, it ruined all believability for me. As anyone who has studied history, or has at least looked at a book, will know that Homers ‘Iliad’ would not have had a Black god. We try to make the characters believable. He is usually seen holding either a scepter or a thunderbolt. This certainly needs to be viewed in context of the general controversy over the roll of race in casting. David Gyasi ... Achilles 8 episodes, 2018 Johnny Harris ... Agamemnon 8 episodes, 2018 Lex King ... Aphrodite Comentários. How Was Saturnalia Celebrated in Ancient Rome? For example: Agamemnon was poorly portrayed. Not only that, but it sends the message that black people have always been part of the western story, even since the very beginning. We are all humans. Regarding redhead Aphrodite, they probably take her look from Botticelli’s rendition of Venus, which is rather known. In all honesty, if I had been in charge of the show, I probably wouldn’t have chosen to portray Achilles as black, but I am not at all angry that the people who did the casting for Troy: Fall of a City chose to make him black. They also had to create a history for themselves because they have none. David Farr; Produtores . There are no winners here.”, Our meeting on set took place a fortnight after a grim chapter in London’s recent history, when the Grenfell Fire was followed by the attack on Finsbury Park Mosque. Série Troia - A Queda de Uma Cidade Dublada / Dual Áudio Torrent (2018) em 1080p / 720p / Bluray / FullHD / HD / WEB-DL Download nos formatos MKV [BAIXAR GRÁTIS - Lacraia Torrent]. The racist backlash against this casting has not, however, been confined to … Black Panther worked great. Portraying Achilles as black, though—that sends a message to the closet racists out there that western culture does not just belong to white people. Movies. And I don’t see any pressure on Bollywood to increase their use of white or non-Indian actors. Achilles confronted Memnon of the field of battle. This show is so bad on so many levels. David Gyasi (“Interstellar”) plays Achilles in the series, which, unusually, takes the perspective of the Trojans. He is best known for his roles in Cloud Atlas (2012) and Interstellar (2014), as well as the lead role of Lex Carnahan in The CW miniseries Containment. And so he should — he looks in awe-inspiring shape. No scepter. It’s cool that youngsters have a hero that looks a bit like them — I was that young person once and didn’t see myself much.”. For instance, just to give one example, no one is mad about the fact that this is how they chose to portray Aphrodite: ABOVE: Lex King as Aphrodite in Troy: Fall of a City. I agree that the depiction of Zeus is an even further affront to the established imagery (in the first episode, I thought he was Hades). He could change to mimic any form, why he would choose African when approaching Greeks is beyond me but still, it’s plausable. Are you sure you want to mark this comment as inappropriate? r), meaning “fire.” Achilles is supposed to have taken this name because he had fiery red hair. Most people “know” that Achillies is white and not black. It is, I think potentially dangerous to dismiss all who found the criticized the casting as racist. While the community response to the former inspired him — “I was in the gym and wanted to go: ‘That’s my city!’ I lifted heavier and ran longer that day” — he followed the social media response to the latter with mounting horror. It is that hypocrisy that bugs me. You can find our Community Guidelines in full here. The irony here is that black people actually do feature prominently in Greek mythology. Why did they bother to try to make Actors look like their character counterparts in the Crown? As far as anyone can tell, in ancient Greece, Achilles was never envisioned as what we today would call “black.” Nonetheless, in Troy: Fall of a City, he is portrayed by David Gyasi, a British actor of Ghanaian ancestry. You do what you can for the next generation — there’s hope there. Aphrodite’s hair in Botticelli’s painting has always looked more blond than red to me personally, but, looking at it again, I could definitely see how someone could see it as red. And that idea really makes a lot of people angry because there are, unfortunately, lots of people who do not think black people should be part of the western story. That in a predominantly “white” country films produced for primarily “white” audiences will contain mostly “white “ actors? Filmed in Wales and Prague, Jez Butterworth’s historical drama is set in 43AD, when Roman General Aulus (David Morrissey) is attempting to conquer the Celts. Why would they change a character so completely but try to mimic the rest? I think even when someone has just a vague idea of what a fictional character looks like, and these characters are then this perception is contradicted, it creates a cognitive dissonance. What must it be like to suck the life out of hundreds of men, to see the light go out of their eyes? The same character was played in the 2004 film Troy by Brad Pitt. If Genghis Khan was played by a red headed Irishmen or Cleopatra as a blonde haired blue eyed Scandinavian the masses would question the director’s racial thought process. ABOVE: Engraving of a nude Memnon by the French engraver Bernard Picard (lived 1673 – 1733) depicting him as a black man, Hello! Personally I don’t care what nationality the actors are as long as the can “ACT” Greek. Where is the honour? Do you think it unusual Descubra toda a elenco da 1ª temporada da série Troy: Fall of a City: elenco, diretores e cenógrafos. When Containment, an American thriller series which he led, wasn’t recommissioned, he flew straight back to London for Alex Garland’s Ex Machina follow-up, Annihilation, feeling positive. Sure, there are modern portrayals of Aphrodite with red hair (William-Adolphe Bouguereau’s Birth of Venus comes to mind), but I am not aware of any ancient ones. He’d been homeless for eight years but never missed a service — it was the only church where he didn’t feel judged.”, Gyasi’s faith has guided him countless times, not least when he considered giving up acting to become a PE teacher in 2010. “I’d done some good work but I needed to challenge myself,” he explains. Troy: Fall of a City is a British-American miniseries based on the Trojan War and the love affair between Paris and Helen.The show tells the story of the 10-year siege of Troy, set in the 13th century BC. The visual difference between a white blond Greek and a dark bald African is much more noticeable than the difference between a blond white women and a white woman with red hair, that looks almost blond. Série Troy - Fall of a City - Legendada Torrent (2018) em 1080p / 720p / FullHD / HD / WEBrip Download nos formatos MKV [BAIXAR GRÁTIS - Lacraia Torrent]. Subtitles & Closed Captioning. Zeus obliged. An engraving by the French engraver Bernard Picart (lived 1673 – 1733), for instance, clearly depicts him as such. Achilles was most recently played on screen by blond, blue-eyed Brad Pitt in 2004’s Troy. Because we know what they are meant to look like. The Iliad is not a work of history; it is a work of fictional literature. “This, ‘How dare you do this to me, I’m going to bring this down on you’, was heartbreaking. Of course not. Just as strange and forced as if I saw African or South-East Asian gods portrayed by Scandinavians. David Kwaku Asamoah Gyasi (/ ˈdʒæsi /; born 2 January 1980) is a British actor of Ghanaian descent. For Memnon, there are no clear sources if he was considered as “white” or “black”. It’s a flip-flop standard. He laughs at the irony of a ruptured Achilles forcing him out of his first major lead role three years ago (although BBC One’s The Interceptor turned out to be a dud). Small and weak in demeanor. Is there evidence for such multi-racial representation among the major players of the ancient Greek world of Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey? Why not just get Greek actors, or at least those with a stereotypical ‘Mediterranean’ physical appearance? Interview with David Gyasi, who plays Achilles in Troy: Fall Of A City It would be just as strange to see, say, Genghis Khan played by a white actor, or Henry VIII played by an Asian actor, just as it would be bizarre to see Shaka Zulu played by someone who isn’t Black, or Pocahontas played by someone who isn’t at least passingly Native American. Why not? The term blackwashing makes this clear. I was pushing my son around in a buggy, and had one of those talks with God: ‘I don’t understand what’s going on, you promised such-and-such…’”, His wife and father-in-law both urged him to persevere. If anything, Gyasi is even more chilled out — perhaps because of confidence in the show, but also the simple familiarity of home. I don’t why people have a problem with with Black actors playing the part of Zeus and Achilles. And should not be assumed! Or have I missed it? Where Does the Idea of a “Saint” Come From? But it isn’t accurate, or fair, to reflexively presume that anyone who might simply prefer more true-to-life, or at least true-to-source depictions of iconic characters, is racist. “Achilles has been led to believe he’ll kill some people in battle and put an end to it, but they keep coming and you see him wondering when will it end. It means nothing for someone seeking self-worth, greatness and legacy. I had just finished reading the great book “Song of Achilles” and built up a mental picture of what Achillies may have looked like. Helen seemed a little too old and menelaus did not feel right. Do you answer the question in the headline? I, however, think that Troy: Fall of a City could have perhaps benefited from inclusion of Memnon and his army of Aithiopians. The 37-year-old fields questions with the same good humour and calm confidence of a man whose career is on track. Despite there continues to be a push to be more inclusive. “Imagine the reaction if they [had] done a doc about Nelson Mandela and … Granted, Aphrodite was a somewhat less visible character in the show than Zeus and Achilles were, but you have to consider the fact that people only threw huge temper tantrums over changes to the characters’ appearances in cases of traditionally white characters being portrayed as non-white. With Netflix releasing Troy globally after its BBC One debut, stardom could come his way sooner than he thinks. Two offers, back-to-back. Interpretations can change and in our world it seems to be about sending a political signal which is okay, because that is how it works. It's where your interests connect you with your people. But it would not have any inherent value by itself. Given that in the USA blacks represent 13% of the population, they are at present over represented in most media. I am actually more disappointed in the show’s portrayal of Zeus than its portrayal of Achilles because, unlike Achilles, Zeus’s iconography is pretty much universally agreed upon. In fact, I actually thought David Gyasi’s performance was quite good. Everyone knows what Zeus is “supposed to look like.” The god’s image is instantly iconic. Rasmus, I agree 💯%. In the Troy: Fall of a City, an eight-part series that chronicles the Greek siege of the city of Troy, Achilles is played by Interstellar, Cloud Atlas and Man in an Orange Shirt star David Gyasi. In my view Brad Pitt as Achilles is as stupid as David Gyasi. Required fields are marked *. Roteiro. The term aithiopian had many meanings which changed drastically through the centuries. According to the Aithiopis, the Achaian hero Antilochos, the son of Nestor, killed Memnon’s dear comrade Aisopos on the field of battle, so Memnon killed Antilochos. Yes, Public Schools Can Teach About Religion, The Modern World Isn’t Even Remotely Secular, View all posts by Spencer Alexander McDaniel, https://hollywood.greekreporter.com/2018/01/19/why-is-achilles-never-greek-in-hollywood/. Any attempt to have a white actor play a role of a prominent black historical figure would likely meet with enough backlash that the production would have to change their choice or be shut down. Achilles, King of the Myrmidons - played by David Gyasi Achilles is the most feared of all the Greek warriors travelling to Troy. It takes place in what is a historically contemporary setting. On the left is the movie (Troy) 2004. Strangely enough there is at least one report from the 14th century that claimed Genghis Khan had red hair and green eyes…so maybe an Irishman playing him isn’t that out of the question. All Videos. My guess is the majority of people would have preferred a white actor, but don’t see it as important. That isn’t oppression, that’s marketing. You mention the hair colour could have been misinterpreted but nowhere whas he descibed as African with no hair!! Which is the push for diversity in casting really only seems to work one way. ), ABOVE: Photograph from Wikimedia Commons of an ancient Greek black-figure vase painting dating to c. 550 – c. 525 BC, showing the Aithiopian warrior Memnon with stereotypically African features. After a series of small but significant roles in big films including Tom Tykwer’s Cloud Atlas and Christopher Nolan’s Intersellar he’s absorbed in discovering the man behind the myth of history’s greatest warrior. Troy: Fall of a City, coprodução épica da Netflix com a BBC, atraiu críticas no Twitter por sua escalação do ator britânico/ganense Black storm trooper? That would make complete sense. The thing is, it wasn’t just Zeus and Achilles who were played by Black actors. It is a decision productions are free to make as long as they own the reception, good or bad. Drama. It’s the principality of the whole thing. Enter your email address to subscribe to Tales of Times Forgotten and receive notifications of new posts by email. Nonetheless, some ancient Greek and Roman depictions of Memnon do clearly show him with African features. Give him long, curly hair and a beard, a himation, a thunderbolt, and maybe an eagle. They make up well over 13% of artists in the music industry, there are entire TV networks dedicated to showing Exclusively black Created content and over the past decade approximately 20% of film roles have been played by black actors. Troy: Fall of a City (TV Series 2018– ) David Gyasi as Achilles. West London born, British Ghanaian actor David Gyasi is one of those quietly talented actors who you don't realise their star power until you see them on your screen. Barney Reisz; David Farr; Elenco. The Aithiopians were supposedly beloved by the gods and they were among the few peoples among whom the gods could walk openly. "David Gyasi : Achilles" Refine. Disappointingly, Memnon is totally absent from nearly all modern adaptations of the story of the Trojan War, perhaps because his story is so similar to Hektor’s. Everyone is all upset about Zeus and Achilles being black, but no one is upset about any of the show’s other deviations from traditional iconography. So there is over representation in most major media categories and have been for at least the past ten years. I think that the reason of the depiction of Achilles is controversial and Aphrodite as are did not is not hypocriticasy. No one is asking for black actors to portray a Japanese emperor in a made in Tokyo film. They could have put Memnon in played by a Black actor. Zeus I can forgive. The black characters Troy: Fall of a City left out. I see you fail to address the fact that there is no push to diversify Bollywood ( which is bigger than Hollywood) or any other film industry. View all posts by Spencer Alexander McDaniel. Neither work even claims to be an accurate representation of the Aegean Bronze Age either. Buy HD $2.99 It is important to remember that Achilles’s appearance has always been open to a certain degree of interpretation. I found David Gyasi’s portrayal of Achilles powerful, and perfectly suitable for the archetype of legendary-warrior-in-epic-protracted-siege-war, though not specifically the very well-known Achilles of Homer’s Iliad. I had to turn it off. I am just tired of the apologists who feel the need to try to diminish or exclude from western culture those who make up the vast majority of the population or vilify those who have made art/media to be consumed by those majorities. No thunderbolt. Swords and sandals epic in eight parts made in a collaboration with Netflix, written by David Farr (who also wrote The Night Manager). If the producers of Troy: Fall of a City had portrayed Achilles as a white man with a huge green afro wig, a handlebar mustache, a two-foot-long, bright blue beard, a modern Kevlar vest instead of armor, and an AK-47 instead of a spear, I bet most people would have just shrugged it off and said “You know what, it’s creative license.”. “I’d say that’s definitely… out there for getting. Content Type. This portrayal has triggered a lot of people, who are angry that Achilles is not portrayed as a white man with blond hair. White actors have been playing the part of Jesus for decades. It’s called ACTING. When I think of the stories I want to tell and responsibility I want to have, I have to acknowledge it’s possible, although I like that I’m still able to walk about and observe.”. It asks what happens when different communities are forced together.”, On a lighter note, there’s Hunter Killer, a rollicking thriller with Gerard Butler, which allowed him to observe how a movie star operates. Your email address will not be published. But accent can be forgiven as it would be impossible to know how the Ancient Greeks sounded. Nonetheless, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it is wrong for a modern television series to portray them as black; myths can change and modern storytellers are not bound to portray characters in the same way that the ancients portrayed them. Humanities 2020, 9, 145 2 of 12 of Black-British actor, David Gyasi, as Achilles.1 Racist commentators charge the miniseries with a range of prejudicial arguments but in particular of “historical inaccuracy”, namely, that Achilles, a That’s just part of the artistic style and it has nothing to do with race. But that isn’t really my main point. f ever there was a role to make a star, it’s the Greek demigod Achilles. “I feel very good about myself,” he laughs. “It was very emotional. M. 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For instance, an ancient Greek black-figure vase painting dated to between c. 550 and c. 525 BC that is currently on display in the Royal Museums of Art and History in Brussels portrays an Athiopian warrior (probably Memnon) with thick red lips, a short, broad nose, and a projecting lower face—features that have been stereotypically associated with Africans throughout history. Now I saw Zeus too, but had no idea who he was meant to be until I read this article. Of course race relations and ideology have to do with it, especially because these online controversies amplify the voices of the extreme. By giving traditionally Black roles to white actors, though, they would just be promoting the exclusion of Black people from the entertainment industry and denying Black people representation. Tumblr is a place to express yourself, discover yourself, and bond over the stuff you love. Carey Mulligan plays Detective Inspector Kip Glaspie, who investigates. no one said they were all white. Arguing the skin-color of Greek gods is ridiculous, in my opinion. Genre. Netflix is becoming a buzzkill like the rest of pandemic 2020. Personally, I would have found all the subject characters just as perplexing had they been played by any actors of non-Caucasian/Mediterranean appearance (i.e., the people who the story is about). “I’m all for discussion, but it’s hard to change hearts. “It’s interesting to see Elena finding herself, being so enthused about getting up at 5.30am to get the train in [the Gyasis have lived in Buckinghamshire for seven years] then needing to tell us what she’d learnt in tap-dancing when she got home. But if one side insists on playing that game, then let’s be honest and apply it fAirly in all entertainment outlets. Benedict Cumberbatch looks right at home in this adaptation of the Edward St Aubyn novels about an outrageous aristocrat struggling to overcome the damage inflicted by an abusive father. Personally I am of the opinion that artistic talent isn’t native to any particular culture or race and really dislike the forced diversity quotas. National Treasure writer Jack Thorne pens a four-part drama about the abduction of a young black girl. Based on your article, it is limited at best. BBC / The Little Drummer Girl Distribution Limited. It is not for example set in a fictional place or an imagined time but what was considered contemporary time in known locations for much of the story. Or have I missed your point with writing it? I suspect if Achilles was played by a white actor with dark hair it wouldn’t be controversial, partly because people wouldn’t know it. David Gyasi is arguably all of those things. Why Does Donald Trump Like Neoclassical Architecture So Much? (I am going on the picture that you posted, I wouldn’t have noticed that she has red hair unless you said). ABOVE: Photograph from Wikimedia Commons of an early fourth-century BC Attic polychromatic terra-cotta vessel depicting the birth of Aphrodite, showing her with blond hair, ABOVE: Mural depicting the birth of Aphrodite from the Case di Venus in the Roman city of Pompeii, dating to the first century AD, showing her with black hair, To be clear, I am not saying that I have a problem with Aphrodite being a redhead in the show; I don’t really have a problem with it—just like I don’t really have a problem with Achilles being portrayed as black. I did not even realize this guy was supposed to be Zeus until the second episode. The bust is currently on display in the Antikensammlung Berlin. because of racism? When he doesn’t even have the hair or the beard, no one can tell he’s supposed to be Zeus! It sends the message that black people are part of the western story. Comentários com insultos ou que podem gerar brigas são deletados. Your brain tells you this can’t be right and takes you right out. The Ancient Greeks were of a dark hue. Likewise, Troy: Fall of a City is a fictional television series. Pretty much the only things that are agreed upon across portrayals are that he is young, clean-shaven, handsome, and muscular. We have Actors that change there accent to fit the role. These are huge industries and employ almost exclusively non-white actors. I can totally understand them making Zeus black, but, come on guys, you’ve got to keep at least some part of the traditional iconography to make him recognizable as Zeus. I am from Denmark myself and if I saw a portrayal of gods and goddesses from Nordic mythology portrayed by people other than Scandinavians I would it strange and forced to put it mildly. So it really shouldn’t come as some surprise that in a primarily white country the roles are cast with mostly white actors. Any Bollywood movies which are screened in the USA need to have 13% of the cast be black. Any time you look up an ancient person and their date of birth only has AD or BC, but no month or day, means they did not exists. ITV and Amazon's remake of William. David Gyasi, a London-born actor of Ghanaian descent, plays the role of Achilles in the BBC’s and Netflix’ miniseries Troy: Fall of a City. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. It’s a very lonely existence.”, For Gyasi, the Greek legends remain relevant today. Even if you know nothing about Greek mythology, you probably know that Zeus looks like this: ABOVE: Photograph from Wikimedia Commons of an ancient Greek marble statue of Zeus wielding his thunderbolt from the city of Smyrna in Asia Minor, dating to roughly the third century AD, ABOVE: Photograph from Wikimedia Commons of the Otricoli Zeus, a Roman marble head of Zeus on display in the Pio-Clementine Vatican Museum, ABOVE: Photograph from Wikimedia Commons of an ancient Roman marble colossal head of Zeus from the British Museum, ABOVE: Photograph from Wikimedia Commons of a gold slater of Zeus from Lampsakos dating to c. 360 – c. 340 BC, ABOVE: Photograph from Wikimedia Commons of a Roman bronze and marble sculpture of Zeus enthroned with an eagle by his side, probably based on the earlier Greek Statue of Zeus at Olympia by Pheidias, ABOVE: Minerva and the Triumph of Jupiter, painted in 1706 by the French Neoclassical painter René-Antoine Houasse, ABOVE: Modern portrayal of Zeus I found on Google Images. Let’s be honestly and deeply appreciative of both past and present truths. Modern representations of Memnon more consistently show him as a black African. And not everyone who takes pause at so many prominent casting deviations is a closet racist (though some may well be). Troy: Fall of a City begins on Saturday, February 17 on BBC One at 9.10pm. Hugh Grant stars in this drama from Doctor Who/Sherlock writer Russell T Davies, which adapts John Preston’s book about the scandal that surrounded Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe. 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